breakthewhalebowl:

cetacean-captivity:

tokitaee:

fortheloveoforca:

whimsical-tail-flukes:

cetacean-captivity:

As the cove runs red today, perhaps we would be more efficient in directing our anger and frustration towards the Taiji fishermen and marine parks who buy from Taiji.

CC is fucked up to the nines. Don’t even bother with scum like her. It’s one thing to be uneducated, it’s another thing to simply ignore factual information. Biological evolution gave you a brain CC. Maybe you should fucking use it.

it’s like you continue to criticize me but completely ignore whether what I’m saying is factually relevant or logical. How can you even insinuate I’m the problem when you refuse to read what I’m saying or respond to it with anything legitimate? 


tokitaee:

cetacean-captivity:

tokitaee:

fortheloveoforca:

whimsical-tail-flukes:

cetacean-captivity:

As the cove runs red today, perhaps we would be more efficient in directing our anger and frustration towards the Taiji fishermen and marine parks who buy from Taiji. 

Complaining about Seaworld’s lack of action in this non related issue is so off point it’s concerning. 

Except it’s not. As we’ve told you numerous times. Stop ignoring the excellent points multiple people have told you numerous times. 

Nah fuck you, do not use this tragedy to futher your seaworld is a saint bullshit, without seaworld creating the need for seacircuses there would be no fucking slaughter, HOW CAN YOU NOT GET THIS! I will continue to be disgusted at both seaworld and taiji scum thanks! CC your arguments are fucking stupid

Okay so there are certain people on this website whose posts LITERALLY MAKE ME JAW DROP, and I become speechless. It’s as if the pro cap stupidity spread to my brain and takes hold. Its a fucking disease.

Ok hun, if you think criticizing Seaworld for something they’re not doing and no longer have an affect on is efficient, please, continue. 

Knock knock. Do you have a brain in there CC, or did the pro cap disease eat it all up? Multiple people have told you exactly how SeaWorld is still connected to the Taiji dolphin drives. It has literally been spelled out for you in the simplest of terms, probably about three times today alone. Seriously, how old are you? Do you comprehend supply and demand? Do you know how business works? Have you the slightest idea how to read anything that anyone types to you??

How many times today have I refuted said argument? How many times will I have to do it until someone actually responds to that post instead of this one? 


coffeeandkudzu:

For people ( cetacean-captivity) wondering how SeaWorld and other Western marine parks have fed into the Taiji dolphin drives, let me provide you with some illustrations, because we don’t mean that they are the financial cause:

Johnny sets up a lemonade stand on Main Street. He makes a lot of money and becomes very popular! Sally, who lives on Elm Street, also wants money. She sets up her own lemonade stand for Elm Street. She also makes money by following Johnny’s business model. 

America and the USSR are in a Cold War. But a part of the Cold War is trying to one-up each other. Space! The final frontier. America sends a chimp into space — the USSR builds sputnik. America puts a man on the moon and the USSR thinks that that is a swell idea indeed and aims to do the same.

Karl Lagerfeld puts on a fantastic F/W 2015 show in Paris. He created a fantastic peach chiffon ball gown that had fashion editors chattering for months afterward. Angelina Jolie wears it to her next photocall and Lauren Wixon wears it on the cover of Vogue’s September issue. And you can buy the knockoff a year later on the High Street. (You could top it off with a cerulean sweater, if you wanted.)

The Taiji drives began because of the demands of the display industry and they are sustained because of the demands of the display industry. MSQ and Loro Parque and Marineland and Komogawa are all deserving of criticism on their own merits, but SeaWorld is far and away the most visible and the most entrenched in the social psyche. It doesn’t matter that SeaWorld doesn’t import Taiji dolphins — what matters is that the drives started to support foreign SeaWorld knockoffs and SeaWorld has done absolutely nothing substantive over the past few years to denounce the drives or to spearhead initiatives to bring the drives to a halt.

Perhaps at one point in time they were partially responsible, however currently the asian aquarium industry is thriving all on its own. Should Seaworld and all other western aquariums fall, they will continue. To put it terms of a metaphor, Sally’s lemonade stand is dependent on its own income and success and whether or not Johnny continues doesn’t matter. Asia is not dependent on US cultural trends. They will keep going as they see fit until the push comes from the inside. 

On another point, is it right to attack Seaworld for something the company is not in control of? 

As an example I used earlier, there are excellent ball python breeders in the US. They have a manageable amount of animals and keep them in great conditions and produce high quality snakes that will find their way into the upper tears of the pet trade. 

Now you also have “snake breeding mills,” aka large scale operations which breed low quality animals and do not care where they go. They exist because people have seen that there is a market for these kinds of snakes. 

Should the breeders of these snakes quit creating healthy, happy animals because some ethically troubled people have decided to hitch hike on the back of their business? No! The low quality snake breeders would continue raking in the dough even if the high quality snake breeders disappeared. Is we want to make a difference for these snakes, you have to combat the actual problem, that being poor breeders in scummy facilities. 

And the same goes with cetacean parks. 


kittenfossils:

tempest1944:

caong:

nimwey:

cetacean-captivity:

*leaves this here and backs away*

*Checking the notes*
Oh, so when SeaWorld doesn’t say anything about the slaughters it’s “WHY AREN’T THEY SPEAKING UP? Do they like dolphins being slaughtered? I bet they buy dolphins from there all the time.”
But when they do protest it and take a stand against it, it’s “Oh look, SeaWorld trying to raise their PR.” “They don’t give a damn about dolphins.” “They are a joke.” “Fuck SeaWorld.”
SeaWorld just can’t catch a break. No matter what they do, it’s wrong.
And no, they DON’T import dolphins caught in drive hunts. They stopped doing that in the 80s (they viewed it as saving a few animals that were otherwise going to be slaughtered, as more than 99% of the animals are slaughtered anyway and it IS primarily for meat and “pest control”), and even if they were so fucked up they wanted to, it would be impossible as it is illegal to import any cetacean caught in a drive hunt into the US.
Stop spreading lies.

Protest and take a stand?
This is lip service. If Seaworld actually wanted to make a stand, REALLY wanted to make a difference, they’d stop doing business with parks that buy from Taiji. They’d denounce those parks as going against conservation and protection for cetaceans. They’d be doing tons of work raising awareness and encouraging people to boycott marine parks that buy from the drive hunts. They’d put pressure on parks not to buy from the drive hunts. Do they actually do any of that? Of course not, because it doesn’t make any money.
That’s what pisse sme off so much about this whole thing, that they could be massive movers and shakers in the Taiji issue and Grindarap but they instead make a twitter post and y’all procaps act like they’re saving the universe when in reality they haven’t done shit, as usual.
The fact that you even consider Seaworld’s spiel of “saving” those animals from Taiji is astounding. They didn’t go there to rescue animals. They went there because it was easy to get new stock for their parks, please don’t be so deliberately ignorant.
The fact that people on tumblr have done more for the dolphins of Taiji than a multimillion dollar company that claims to vehemently oppose drive hunts should say something to you.

…..well said!Nimway, not you.

she says “*leaves this here*”
haaaa, she should have said “*makes fool of self*
this tweet means nothing. they continue to do business there so this is absolute garbage.

No they do not do business there, they haven’t in 30 years. Surely you know this. 
Still waiting for you to show me evidence captive animals suffer more than wild ones. 
By the way, just to clarify, I’m not looking for an anthropomorphic philosophical comment on what it means to be a slave or comments on stereotyped behaviors, which all captive animals demonstrate, I’m looking for actual scientific evidence, hopefully in the form of a peer reviewed report or journal article, thanks :) 

tempest1944:

cetacean-captivity:

kittenfossils:

whimsical-tail-flukes:

cetacean-captivity:

As the cove runs red today, perhaps we would be more efficient in directing our anger and frustration towards the Taiji fishermen and marine parks who buy from Taiji.

Complaining about…

Holy fucking crap…..did CC REALLY just ask for EVIDENCE that captivity is bad?? She really IS fucking stupid!!! Holy fuck.

My mind just melted into goo. I’m shocked she even knows how to breathe.

it’s funny because I’m still waiting. 

no one has even attempted to deliver the evidence which they believe is so obvious. 


You can’t be pro-captivity and anti-capture.

And why, may I ask?
Surely we’re all aware that the captive orca, beluga and bottlenose dolphin populations are genetically diverse enough to support themselves.


sorry about all the spam tonight guys, between this and the conservation website I’m making I’ve gotten no homework done. Oh well, story of my life. Anyway I’m hella sick so I’ll be going to bed now but tomorrow I learn how to work the equipment to do the behavior studies! I can’t wait! 


kittenfossils:

whimsical-tail-flukes:

cetacean-captivity:

As the cove runs red today, perhaps we would be more efficient in directing our anger and frustration towards the Taiji fishermen and marine parks who buy from Taiji.

Complaining about Seaworld’s lack of action in this non related issue is…

y’all act like her ignoring valid points is anything new. i’m not even surprised anymore.

i mean, this is the same person who stated something along the lines of “oh i would be an anticap if there was evidence that proved it was better” and i’m just sitting here like

the evidence is
fucking in front of you.
you just choose to ignore it so you can keep your love affair with shitty companies and the animals they have stolen.

please, do provide said legitimate evidence. I’m waiting eagerly. 


bathe-the-whales:

whimsical-tail-flukes:

cetacean-captivity:

As the cove runs red today, perhaps we would be more efficient in directing our anger and frustration towards the Taiji fishermen and marine parks who buy from Taiji. 

Complaining about Seaworld’s lack of action in this non related issue is so off point it’s concerning. 

Except it’s not. As we’ve told you numerous times. Stop ignoring the excellent points multiple people have told you numerous times. 

SeaWorld is the sole fucking reason that these drive hunts started up again, are you fucking kidding me right now? THEY DO BUSINESS WITH MARINE PARKS THAT BUY FROM TAIJI, HOW ARE YOU SO FUCKING IGNORANT AND BLIND?!?!?!

lol guys remember when I predicted this exact argument 

this is probably the 900th time someone has virtually shouted it at me. 

Seaworld only ever imported two dolphins directly from Taiji. They are not the sole reason these hunts began. Their businesses with Taiji-importing aquariums is limited mainly to Seaworld Kamogawa where they have imported a stunning 2 rescued and/or captive born animals. 

Asian aquariums are now a completely separate entity from Seaworld. They are no longer interconnected, even if once they were. 

Combat the actual problem. 


fortheloveoforca:

whimsical-tail-flukes:

cetacean-captivity:

As the cove runs red today, perhaps we would be more efficient in directing our anger and frustration towards the Taiji fishermen and marine parks who buy from Taiji. 

Complaining about Seaworld’s lack of action in this non related issue is so off point it’s concerning. 

Except it’s not. As we’ve told you numerous times. Stop ignoring the excellent points multiple people have told you numerous times. 

Nah fuck you, do not use this tragedy to futher your seaworld is a saint bullshit, without seaworld creating the need for seacircuses there would be no fucking slaughter, HOW CAN YOU NOT GET THIS! I will continue to be disgusted at both seaworld and taiji scum thanks! CC your arguments are fucking stupid

Maybe, maybe not. 

I don’t think seaworld is a saint. That was never my argument. I believe Seaworld is a company with a hell of a lot of flaws. However that does not mean they should close because people across the globe started copying them 40 years ago. Nor does it mean criticism against them about Taiji does those poor animals in the cove any good. Face it, if Seaworld went down now, Asian marine parks would continue to thrive. 

Also hint, try not calling a whole town of people “scum.” They’re human beings just like you and me, they happen to have a different cultural perspective than us, that doesn’t make them evil. 

How about you discuss civilly and attack my actual points instead of broad, crude general judgements, k?