Does anyone else hate intrusive UVs in cetacean tanks, or just me? Walk though tunnels that are level with the tanks floor aren’t toooo awful bad (IF in a deep tank), but I hate whatever that thing is the Indy zoo has haha. It looks horrible from the surface, and it looks way too intrusive into what should be the /dolphins/ space. I really don’t like it, at all.

When you posted about Ike being moved to another park, was that because you had heard a rumor that he would be? He's my favorite so I would be very sad if that happened.

No I was just brainstorming. 

I'm the anon who asked about cetacean rights... I meant like the rights PETA or the Nonhuman Rights Project wants to give them. The reasonable rights, I'm all for. Sorry for the confusion! :)

Ok! No problem! Sorry about the lecture!

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I'm asking cetacean-captivity, but any pro cap tumblr bloggers could help me out with this: I know that cetaceans shouldn't have rights, but I would have trouble explaining why to someone. Help please! Thnx :) u guys are awesome

First things first, I absolutely disagree with you. I firmly believe that all life has the right to be respected and not to suffer needlessly of human accord. Different rights then branch off of that one depending on the animal and its ability to experience. For instance, in order for a goldfish to not needlessly suffer, it simply needs a large enough habitat with proper water conditions, proper food and maybe a few pals. It thus has a right to these things. A parrot, on the other hand, needs not only proper conditions, food and companionship but also visual, textile, physical, auditory and gustatory stimulation. Basically, you can try and entertain your fish all day long, but they’ll be just as content if you hadn’t. A fish then, does not have the right to the same level of stimulation that a parrot does. 

Things become more complex, however, as the animal develops a higher functioning cerebrum and limbic system. Often times what makes us happy is not simply adaptive. Still, when we talk about high functioning animals we loose the ability to communicate directly with them and must take their own “cultures” into account when examining their behavior in search of clues. This makes things very difficult. 

So what do cetaceans have a right to? Obviously the have the same rights as less complex animals but  many people go as far as to want to apply the three big rights of the US constitution to them. Now don’t misunderstand, I’m not denying them these things, I do believe cetaceans have a right to life, anything that is living deserves that. I also believe they have a right to be “happy” and thus they have a right to whatever that entails. But liberty is not necessarily one of those things and thus, for now, should not be considered one of their rights. It’s an ideal that is not adaptive nor at all grounded in science, rather it is something we (people with Western ideals) feel is necessary in order to fully live.

Another thing to consider, is that we’re not talking about complete liberty vs. a complete lack of it. Most cetaceans are at liberty to do what they please all day in captivity. The only thing they are missing out on in that sense is the freedom to make long distance movements. But again, this may not at all be required for these animals to achieve a high quality of life so we should not assume it is one of their basic rights. 

So in conclusion, I stand in the middle. I believe cetaceans deserve rights, but not exactly the same rights many activists believe they do. Something we have to remember as the movement for non human rights picks up steam is that when making policy about such romanticized topics, we need to think everything through and ground them in what we know/ understand/ observe #science 

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I counted SD’s with visible rewards at the end of the behavior vs. visible primaries. I watched the show three times to make sure. High and low energy behaviors were counted, but SD’s clearly for the purpose of secondaries were not counted. There were two SD’s which resulted in uncompleted behaviors, one was by Orkid the other was by Ike. Unfortunately I could not accurately pick up on bridges so I can’t weigh that in. Here’s the final tally. 

Orkid: 13 accepted SD’s, two primaries

Kasatka: 14 accepted SD’s, four primaries

Nakai: 10 accepted SD’s, two primaries 

Ulises: 4 accepted SD’s, two primaries 

Ikaika: 4 accepted SD’s, one primary 

It should be noted extra primaries are often given at the end of the show. I’m going to watch a couple more to get a better consensus. 


I have a lot of questions about this study.  AP calculated life expectancy of captive-born whales based on ASR (from which decades the ASRs were taken, I don’t know).  What do you guys think of the assertion that captive whales have a life expectancy comparable to wild whales?  Is it just a case of statistics wank?  And they don’t bring it up here, but this study found belugas do terribly in captivity with a captive life expectancy of 15-29 years while wild belugas live between 35-50 and maybe even 70-80 years.

And…is that Bossa the same Bossa who just died?  Because that really just crystalizes the problem with projected statistical averages versus observation and logic.

Detailed report here [x].

So, what do you guys think?


counting SD’s vs primaries for each animal for a full one ocean show. So far we’ve just reached one drop and orkid has completed 12 behaviors successfully for 2 primaries. Kasatka’s done 11 behaviors for 3 primaries and Nakai has done 8 behaviors for one primary. more to come.

ok so we’ve finished one ocean and Orkid has done 15 behaviors for 2 primaries, Kasatka has done 15 behaviors fo 4 primaries, Nakai has done ten behaviors for 1 primary, Uli has done 8 behaviors for 3 primaries and Ike has done 10 behaviors for one primary. Going to go confirm but it’s going to be a little bit, stay tuned. 

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counting SD’s vs primaries for each animal for a full one ocean show. So far we’ve just reached one drop and orkid has completed 12 behaviors successfully for 2 primaries. Kasatka’s done 11 behaviors for 3 primaries and Nakai has done 8 behaviors for one primary. more to come.

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